DHoke wrote:
Can someone address this. I am interested to hear the answer as well.
Just a guess... but what may have happened is that there was a mini best of show (MBOS) round for that category where several great beers were put up against each other regardless of score. During the MBOS the initial scores were ignored, and the judges simply selected the best beer out of several excellent examples. Maybe Lyn can chime in on this... it should say MBOS somewhere on the score sheet if this is what happened.
Great minds think alike, eh Lars?
Hey that's only half a quote! The full quote is:
Great minds think alike . . . fools seldom differ.
I agree with Lars and Brad. At the HMMC this is a common practice because of the large number of entries in several of our categories. We actually split out Melomels this year into Berry Melomels and Other Fruit Melomels. We initially had about 76 in the Other Fruit Melomel Category and many berry mels so it made it a lot easier to judge that way, and then we split the judging tables and ran two judging panels on each. We ran six judging panels on three tablels with three Berry Melomels and three Other Fruit Melomels.
Southwest
Max Score: 38.5
Min Score: 26
Avg Score: 32.4
# of Entries: 14
Category 1 Light Lager
1 1e Michael Habrat of San Diego, CA
2 1b Mike Johnson of Salt Lake City, UT, Zion Zymurgist Homebrew OPerative Society
3 1c Mike Johnson of Salt Lake City, UT, Zion Zymurgist Homebrew OPerative Society
Max Score: 38
Min Score: 27.5
Avg Score: 31.9
# of Entries: 11
Category 2 Pilsner
Sponsored by Beer & Wine Makers Warehouse
1 2b Bob Thompson of Murrieta, CA, Temecula Valley Homebrewers Association
2 2b Michael Hoyt of San Diego, CA, QUAFF
3 2c Harold Gulbransen of San Diego, CA, QUAFF
Max Score: 38.5
Min Score: 21.5
Avg Score: 30.1
# of Entries: 9
Category 3 European Amber Lager
Sponsored by How to Brew by John Palmer
1 3b Norman Jufer of Ontario, CA, Inland Empire Brewers
2 3b Jason Green of Reno, NV, Washoe Zephyr Zymurgists
3 3a Norman Jufer of Ontario, CA, Inland Empire Brewers
Max Score: 41
Min Score: 29
Avg Score: 35.4
# of Entries: 20
Category 4 Dark Lager
Sponsored by Briess Malt & Ingredients Co
1 4b Harold Gulbransen of San Diego, CA, QUAFF
2 4c Matthew Bourbeau of Woodland Hills, CA, Maltose Falcons Home Brewing Society
3 4a Mike Johnson of Salt Lake City, UT, Zion Zymurgist Homebrew OPerative Society
Max Score: 38.5
Min Score: 23
Avg Score: 31.2
# of Entries: 12
Category 5 Bock
Sponsored by Washington Hop Commission
1 5c Scott Endicott of Salt Lake City, UT, Zion Zymurgist Homebrew OPerative Society
2 5d Jon Peterson of Poway, CA, QUAFF
3 5c Dave Mahaffey of Salt Lake, UT, Zion Zymurgist Homebrew OPerative Society
Max Score: 40
Min Score: 20.5
Avg Score: 31.6
# of Entries: 29
Category 6 Light Hybrid Beer
Sponsored by Cargill World Select c/o Cargill Malt
1 6d Pete Morris of Los Angeles, CA, Pacific Gravity Home Brewers Club
2 6c Harold Gulbransen of San Diego, CA, QUAFF
3 6b Kelsey McNair of San Diego, CA, QUAFF
Max Score: 42
Min Score: 20.5
Avg Score: 32.0
# of Entries: 19
Category 7 Amber Hybrid Beer
Sponsored by Grape & Granary
1 7b Lyn Davidson, Mike Yasuma of Orange, CA, BrewCommune
2 7a Norman Jufer of Ontario, CA, Inland Empire Brewers
3 7c Keith Mycek of Scottsdale, AZ, The Brewing Network
Max Score: 38.5
Min Score: 22.5
Avg Score: 29.3
# of Entries: 32
Category 8 English Pale Ale
Sponsored by St Louis Wine & Beer Making
1 8a Greg and Liz Lorton of Carlsbad, CA, QUAFF
2 8c Ray Madsen of Heber City, UT
3 8a Matt Zwolinski of San Diego, CA, QUAFF
Max Score: 39.5
Min Score: 24
Avg Score: 33.1
# of Entries: 19
Category 9 Scottish and Irish Ale
Sponsored by Homebrew Depot
1 9e Jim McCrillis of San Juan Capistrano, CA
2 9e Mike Hahn of Salt Lake, UT, Zion Zymurgist Homebrew OPerative Society
3 9e Jon Peterson of Poway, CA, QUAFF
Max Score: 40.5
Min Score: 20
Avg Score: 29.9
# of Entries: 41
Category 10 American Ale
Sponsored by BJ's Restaurant & Brewery
1 10a Larry Nadeau of Laguna Niguel, CA, Fear No Beer Brewclub
2 10b Mike Johnson of Salt Lake City, UT, Zion Zymurgist Homebrew OPerative Society
3 10b Eric Butcher of San Luis Obispo, CA
Max Score: 39
Min Score: 28
Avg Score: 32.6
# of Entries: 8
Category 11 English Brown Ale
Sponsored by Alternative Beverage
1 11c Jason Green of Reno, NV, Washoe Zephyr Zymurgists
2 11a Michael Adams, Bill Adams of Visalia, CA, TCHOPS (Tulare County Homebrewers for Perfect Suds)
3 11b Kelsey McNair of San Diego, CA, QUAFF
Max Score: 38.5
Min Score: 16.5
Avg Score: 30.2
# of Entries: 31
Category 12 Porter
Sponsored by Deschutes Brewery
1 12c Andrew Waisanen of Irvine, CA, Long Beach Homebrewers
2 12b Paul Gagnon of San Diego, CA, QUAFF
3 12a Michael Adams, Bill Adams of Visalia, CA, TCHOPS (Tulare County Homebrewers for Perfect Suds)
Max Score: 38
Min Score: 21
Avg Score: 30.5
# of Entries: 41
Category 13 Stout
Sponsored by Brew & Grow
]1 13bBrad Warbiany, Dustin Hoke of Laguna Niguel, CA, BrewCommune
2 13e Thomas Hart of Corrales, NM, HomeBrewTalk Brewers
3 13f Thomas Hart of Corrales, NM, HomeBrewTalk Brewers
Max Score: 40
Min Score: 21.5
Avg Score: 30.7
# of Entries: 41
Category 14 India Pale Ale (IPA)
Sponsored by Anderson Valley Brewing Co
1 14b Kelsey McNair of San Diego, CA, QUAFF
2 14b Norman Jufer of Ontario, CA, Inland Empire Brewers
3 14c Erik First, John Sanatar of Mission Viejo, CA, Greenbelt Brewers Association
Max Score: 41
Min Score: 22.5
Avg Score: 30.7
# of Entries: 12
Category 15 German Wheat and Rye Beer
Sponsored by Widmer Brothers Brewing Co
1 15b Mike Johnson of Salt Lake City, UT, Zion Zymurgist Homebrew OPerative Society
2 15a Harold Gulbransen of San Diego, CA, QUAFF
3 15a Steve Cook, Steve Cook of Burbank, CA, Maltose Falcons Home Brewing Society
Max Score: 40
Min Score: 26.5
Avg Score: 32.0
# of Entries: 40
Category 16 Belgian and French Ale
Sponsored by S.A. Bieres de Chimay c/o Manneken-Brussel Imports
1 16c Harold Gulbransen of San Diego, CA, QUAFF
2 16e Julian Shrago of Garden Grove, CA, Long Beach Homebrewers
3 16a Chan Lay & Eileen Lay of Richmond, Victoria, Australia, The Bayside Brewers (Melbourne)
Max Score: 37.5
Min Score: 30
Avg Score: 33.0
# of Entries: 11
Category 17 Sour Ale
Sponsored by Captain Lawrence Brewing Co
1 17f Mike Hahn of Salt Lake, UT, Zion Zymurgist Homebrew OPerative Society
2 17e Christopher Anderson, Ira Edwards of Yucca Valley, CA, Coachella Valley Homebrew Club
3 17b Bob Kunz of Burbank, CA, Maltose Falcons Home Brewing Society
Max Score: 44.5
Min Score: 23
Avg Score: 33.5
# of Entries: 43
Category 18 Belgian Strong Ale
Sponsored by Dingemans c/o Cargill Malt
1 18c Josh Pfriem of Salt Lake City, UT
2 18e Herb Adams of San Dimas, CA, Crown of the Valley Brewing Society
3 18b Bob Thompson of Murrieta, CA, Temecula Valley Homebrewers Association
Max Score: 39.5
Min Score: 25
Avg Score: 33.6
# of Entries: 22
Category 19 Strong Ale
Sponsored by Northern Brewer
1 19c Jason Green of Reno, NV, Washoe Zephyr Zymurgists
2 19b Peter Zien of San Diego, CA, QUAFF
3 19a Chris Shadrick of Santee, CA, QUAFF
Max Score: 40
Min Score: 26
Avg Score: 34.3
# of Entries: 15
Category 20 Fruit Beer
Sponsored by Paradise Brewing Supplies
1 20a Thomas Hart of Corrales, NM, HomeBrewTalk Brewers
2 20a Todd Higginson of San Diego, CA, QUAFF
3 20a Hal Ward of Orange, CA
Max Score: 38.5
Min Score: 23.5
Avg Score: 31.7
# of Entries: 25
Category 21 Spice/Herb/Vegetable Beer
Sponsored by High Gravity Homebrewing & Winemaking Supplies
1 21b Christopher Campbell of Los Angeles, CA
2 21a Scott Alfter of Las Vegas, NV, SNAFU
3 21a Patrick Greaney of San Diego, CA, The Brewing Network
Max Score: 42
Min Score: 26.5
Avg Score: 34.0
# of Entries: 11
Category 22 Smoke-Flavored and Wood-Aged Beer
Sponsored by Alaskan Brewing Co
1 22c Josh Pfriem of Salt Lake City, UT
2 22b Eric Greene, Bruce Greene of Tucson, AZ, Tucson HomeBrew Club
3 22a Greg and Liz Lorton of Carlsbad, CA, QUAFF
Max Score: 41
Min Score: 16.5
Avg Score: 30.5
# of Entries: 20
Category 23 Specialty Beer
Sponsored by The Beverage People
1 23a Eric Stiffler of Redondo Beach, CA
2 23a Mike Westcott, Bret Arnett of Clarkdale, AZ
3 23a Kelsey McNair of San Diego, CA, QUAFF
Max Score: 38
Min Score: 31
Avg Score: 34.9
# of Entries: 9
Category 24 Traditional Mead
Sponsored by Redstone Meadery
1 24c Harold Gulbransen of San Diego, CA, QUAFF
2 24c Charles West of San Diego, CA, QUAFF
3 24c Cher Cunningham, Antoinette E Hodges of Oceanside, CA, QUAFF
Max Score: 41
Min Score: 29
Avg Score: 35.3
# of Entries: 8
Category 25 Melomel (Fruit Mead)
Sponsored by Bacchus and Barleycorn
1 25c Harold Gulbransen of San Diego, CA, QUAFF
2 25c Andy Hooper of San Luis Obispo, CA
3 25b Harold Gulbransen of San Diego, CA, QUAFF
Max Score: 43
Min Score: 27.5
Avg Score: 32.8
# of Entries: 9
Category 26 Other Mead
Sponsored by Main Squeeze
1 26a Bill Sobieski of Spring Valley, CA, QUAFF
2 26c Harold Gulbransen of San Diego, CA, QUAFF
3 26a Charles West of San Diego, CA, QUAFF
Max Score: 34.5
Min Score: 20
Avg Score: 28.3
# of Entries: 4
Category 27 Standard Cider and Perry
Sponsored by Woodchuck Draft Cider
1 27a Charles West of San Diego, CA, QUAFF
2 27a Jenny DuRose, Eric DuRose of La Jolla, CA, QUAFF
3 No 3rd place was awarded in this category.
Max Score: 36
Min Score: 15.5
Avg Score: 25.8
# of Entries: 6
Category 28 Specialty Cider and Perry
Sponsored by Woodchuck Draft Cider
1 28d Jenny DuRose, Eric DuRose of La Jolla, CA, QUAFF
2 No 2nd place was awarded in this category.
3 No 3rd place was awarded in this category.
Cheers,
Lyn
Everybody has the right to be stupid. Some people abuse the privilege.
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OK, well now I know why Dan's Strawberry Mel didn't pick up first. We have a pretty good indication of regional bias at work. Notice the number of quaff winners in category 24-26. I'll also wager that most of the mead was entered by quaff members as well.
Not a consipiracy theory, just a very predictable situation with mead. I'd wager that most of the folks who judged wouldn't pass the new MJCP exam when it comes out late this year. I'd bet that fewer than that could identify traditional meads made from three of the top ten most commonly used honeys.
I guess it's a good thing that none of my beers made it through to the second round. While we were at SCHF, someone stole all my beer out of my outside fridge, including all the beers I had bottled for NHC. I was going to enter them in the IEB comp in June since they didn't make it to the NHC second round.
I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada down at Trader Vic's
Plus, I looked over the other regions in Cat. 7 and out of the 29 beers being sent up to 2nd round 11 of them were Cali Commons and 7 of them took 1st out of the 10 regions! so there will be some serious competition in the 2nd round!
Cheers,
Lyn
Everybody has the right to be stupid. Some people abuse the privilege.
I hope life isn’t a big joke, because I don’t get it.
What I don't Know Far out weighs what I do.
spkrtoy wrote:Plus, I looked over the other regions in Cat. 7 and out of the 29 beers being sent up to 2nd round 11 of them were Cali Commons and 7 of them took 1st out of the 10 regions! so there will be some serious competition in the 2nd round!
I did the same thing in the stout category, and my stout is the only sweet stout advancing. I was a bit surprised to see that...
The sweet stout got a blue ribbon and a "gold" certificate, which makes sense.
What I don't understand is that the APA got a "Bronze" certificate, when it didn't place in any category. Did that mean that maybe it made it to mini-BOS, or that it was the 3rd-best APA, or do all entries within a certain score range get a certain certificate? It scored a 29, so I wouldn't have expected to get anything for it.
Brad,
The AHA gives out those cert's based on how the beer scored, not placed.
I got my packet today and the Cali and my "old ale" scored over 30 and got silver cert's with the cali getting the winning blue ribbon with a 37 and the high score was a 42.5 (due to mini-bos).
My other 2 entries scored 27 +/- and they got bronze cert's.
Anyway, great job and here's to our beers being on the podium in Cincinatti later on next month!
BTW, I think this is the first time we've had 2 1st place beers go to the 2nd round from BrewCommune, ever! Next year, let's try to make it more.
Cheers,
Lyn
Everybody has the right to be stupid. Some people abuse the privilege.
I hope life isn’t a big joke, because I don’t get it.
What I don't Know Far out weighs what I do.
Holy crap!
UPS said it's in Lexinton KY , and it's hotter than hell there and the beer won't get there till monday 6-9. Hope the quick, then slow, then quick then slow helps out Mike's Cali!
it was 3 day select ups from my neighbor at work for FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. Well not exactly, I bought and gave him The Bruery's Saison and Orchard Wit for the shipping.
Good life hope to the beers! They were double/double bubble wrapped with AirBag's so they should not (and will not) break but I'm concerned about the temps while waiting to be delivered. Can make a 40+ lager turn into a 12 if not cooled upon receipt. Oh well,we'll see!
Cheers,
Lyn
Everybody has the right to be stupid. Some people abuse the privilege.
I hope life isn’t a big joke, because I don’t get it.
What I don't Know Far out weighs what I do.
