IPA vs. IPL Experiment

[BrewMasterBrad]

Okay, so I am brewing twice this weekend. Two identical beers with the exception of the yeast. The IPA will be fermented with California Ale Yeast. The IPL will be fermented with Mexican Lager Yeast. The malt bill is going to be simple - just 92% Two-row and 8% Vienna - so the hops can shine through. That is where I want some feedback. Here is a list of the appropriate hops and their AA% that I have in stock. I want to know what you would use in a recipe that will highlight the hops. Which hops would you use and where during the boil would you add them? I'm not going to dry hop, but I will add a ton of hops after flame out.

Centennial 9.9
Amarillo 8.9
Chinook 12.8
Cascade 6.3
Citra 14.4
Columbus 12.7

[brahn]

California vs Mexico, huh?

I'd probably go with the classic C hops. Chinook, Centennial, Cascade, and Columbus.

What is your target OG? Assuming 1.065 for a standard IPA I'd bitter with Columbus, 60 minutes for 35-ish IBU. Then add a blend of all four at flameout. Somewhere between 1lb and 1.25lb / 10 Gallons and whirlpool for 30 minutes. You'll get a good amount of bitterness from this and a ton of flavor and aroma.

[indianajns]

My 0.2 . I'd go BIG with something in the 1.075ish range with ~ 90 IBU's

Hit it with 30 IBU's at 90. I'd use one of your C-hops or Hop Extract
~ 15-17 IBU's at 45. Also with a C hop or Extract
~ 43 IBU's at 30 with your citra
I'd then hit it with a 10 - 12 ounce hit of Amarillo at whirlpool/flameout . (I love the flavor of Amarillo)
Maybe also hit it with 4 ounces at flameout of whatever your favorite aroma hop is in your list. Amarillo doesn't have a ton of IPAish aroma IMO and you are not dry hopping.

[bwarbiany]

Let me know once you settle on a recipe. My next beer will also be an IPL, using W-34/70. While we have different brewing systems and processes, maybe I'll make the same recipe to compare...

[brahn]

I ran across this post this morning and thought of this post. Maybe ditch the Columbus, bitter with Chinook and go 2:1 Cascade:Centennial at flameout.

http://www.beersmith.com/forum/index.php?topic=9713.0

[JonW]

I ran across this post this morning and thought of this post. Maybe ditch the Columbus, bitter with Chinook and go 2:1 Cascade:Centennial at flameout.

http://www.beersmith.com/forum/index.php?topic=9713.0

I did a similar Celebration clone last year and it came out really good. It would be interesting to try it as a lager.
Here's a downloadable version of mine. The notes section has links to other versions I had found.
http://beersmithrecipes.com/viewrecipe/ ... ration-ale

[BrewMasterBrad]

Thanks for the feedback guys. Good stuff. I added some C60 to the recipe for some body to stand up to the hops. Here is the recipe I came up with. I'm not sure about Beersmith's calculations for the whirlpool hop IBUs, but it should be an interesting experiment regardless. I'm using RO water and working on the salt additions right now. If you want those, let me know.

BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Experimental IPA
Brewer: Brad Nixon
Asst Brewer:
Style: American IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 13.52 gal
Post Boil Volume: 11.70 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 10.25 gal
Bottling Volume: 10.25 gal
Estimated OG: 1.064 SG
Estimated Color: 7.1 SRM
Estimated IBU: 95.7 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 79.0 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
23 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 92.0 %
1 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 2 4.0 %
1 lbs Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 3 4.0 %
1.50 oz Chinook [12.80 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 4 41.4 IBUs
4.00 oz Cascade [6.30 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 5 14.5 IBUs
2.00 oz Centennial [9.90 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 6 11.4 IBUs
1.00 tsp Yeast Nutrient (Boil 10.0 mins) Other 7 -
1.00 Items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 5.0 mins) Fining 8 -
4.00 oz Cascade [6.30 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 30.0 Hop 9 15.9 IBUs
2.00 oz Centennial [9.90 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 3 Hop 10 12.5 IBUs
1.0 pkg California Ale (White Labs #WLP001) [35. Yeast 11 -


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Light Body, No Mash Out
Total Grain Weight: 25 lbs
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Mash In Add 32.00 qt of water at 163.1 F 150.0 F 60 min

Sparge: Fly sparge with 8.52 gal water at 168.0 F